tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21118726.post6146916078187388768..comments2024-03-13T13:29:58.961-07:00Comments on holy heteroclite:: I am in sin if I always "avoid the appearance of evil"davehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07135992921485306480noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21118726.post-67797263050025513202015-12-08T18:19:58.371-08:002015-12-08T18:19:58.371-08:00Excellent. Thanks. Great argument on #3.
I think...Excellent. Thanks. Great argument on #3.<br />I think the problem with books like Reynolds is they force each Greek word into one definitive translation, without allowing much room for context. This can fall into the fallacy of defining words ONLY by etymology and without considering semantic domain, context, usage etc.<br />Let's keep talking.davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07135992921485306480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21118726.post-80132339269355604952015-12-05T23:18:48.849-08:002015-12-05T23:18:48.849-08:00Hey, Dave,
I don't know Greek well enough to ...Hey, Dave,<br /><br />I don't know Greek well enough to translate. I was using "Word Study Greek-English New Testament" by Paul R. McReynolds. <br /><br />Perhaps some of the confusion is in the terminology. I read Paul as saying that whatever we do we should make sure that not only do we not do evil, but that we don't even appear that what we are doing could be seen as evil.<br /><br />The third point was in response to Tia (actually all of my responses were, I think). In 1 Thess. 5: 12+, Paul is not making a list of sins to avoid; he was admonishing the flock (see verse 12) with a list of things to do and not to do. Therefore the admonishment not to do anything that could even appear to be evil is not saying that is a sin, but it is an admonishment. <br /><br />Blessing to you. Thanks for your prayers. I need them and the class is low enrolled. I need a few more students. <br /><br />It would be good to see you some time.<br /><br />ClayClayhttp://clayrooks.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21118726.post-21509421784293189792015-12-05T16:23:40.499-08:002015-12-05T16:23:40.499-08:00Hi Clay:
Very thoughtful points.
Let me respond ...Hi Clay:<br /><br />Very thoughtful points.<br /><br />Let me respond to them out of order (:<br /><br />Second point: I re-read my post (we are talking eight years after I posted it!), and I agree about the syllogism. I tend to write large to make a point. I edited my post accordingly, and I nuanced Tia's quote.<br /><br />First point:<br />On the Greek, i don't see any Greek manuscript with "visible form." Which are you working from? It says, ἀπὸ παντὸς εἴδους πονηροῦ ἀπέχεσθε. <br />I also edited my excerpt from Tia's post to include her discussion of why "appeatrance" is such a terrible translation that can only cause confusion. My bad, I can't believe I didn't include it. Best way to translate is like all translations execpt KJV basically do: "Avoid evil in all its forms." Sure, it is Ok to translate "Avoid evil in all its appearances"..but this assumes know this means "evil every time it appears,' NOT "the appearance (as in something appearing/seeming to be evil). Our language has changed since King James days.<br /><br />Check some standard evangelical commentaries by giants like FF Bruce and Leon Morris (Morris:"Paul is urging his friends to eschew evil of every kind")..not just because they agree with me on this point (:<br />Bruce makes the fascinating case that maybe we should take the πονηροῦ as attributive to εἴδους, thus "avoid every evil kind of utterance."<br /><br />I find no standard commentator (unless they use KJV) who thinks the case can be made that Paul is ultimately saying we should avoid being seen as evil.<br /><br />Third point: I don't get the importance of "list of admonitions, not a list of sins." Help me out. Maybe you were responding to something Tia said or implied.<br /><br />Blessings, Hope to see you soon. Praying for your Bible as Lit classdavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07135992921485306480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21118726.post-47885822268105213292015-12-05T15:59:39.926-08:002015-12-05T15:59:39.926-08:00Excellent point, Spyman.
You probably know that is...Excellent point, Spyman.<br />You probably know that is also one of my keynote sermons:<br />http://davewainscott.blogspot.com/2006/03/kicking-butts-hair-in-bun-tattoos.htmldavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07135992921485306480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21118726.post-55065007633515992582015-11-28T17:40:46.568-08:002015-11-28T17:40:46.568-08:00Sorry to disagree, but the Greek translates ...&qu...Sorry to disagree, but the Greek translates ..."from all visible form of evil hold off," so rendering that as "avoid the appearance of evil" is perfectly reasonable. Secondly, the syllogism in the middle of this article is faulty (the major premise is questionable at best) and leads to a false conclusion. Third, the line in 1 Thess. 5:22 is in a list of admonitions, not a list of sins.Clay Rookshttp://clayrooks.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21118726.post-57592980803762872982015-07-07T14:23:56.082-07:002015-07-07T14:23:56.082-07:00One exception: we should avoid fellowship with so-...One exception: we should avoid fellowship with so-called believers who are unrepentant, as described in 1 Cor. 5. <br /><br />http://www.biblica.com/en-us/bible/online-bible/?translation=niv&book=1+corinthians&chapter=5<br /><br />Posted by a spy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21118726.post-43870137938153112752007-12-22T10:20:00.000-08:002007-12-22T10:20:00.000-08:00Interesting thoughts.I tend to dissect worship son...Interesting thoughts.<BR/>I tend to dissect worship songs that we've sung to see if the lyrics are actually Biblical or if they just make us feel good. My latest post here: http://denverintranslation.com/?p=282<BR/>is kinda about that.<BR/><BR/>I always cringe when people say, "The Lord works in mysterious ways" unless it's Bono.Mark Thomashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01729138162534505763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21118726.post-67341604076630178122007-12-20T07:48:00.000-08:002007-12-20T07:48:00.000-08:00Tiakeep up the great work.you take heat for faithf...Tia<BR/><BR/>keep up the great work.<BR/>you take heat for faithfully following Jesus and really reading the Bible. <BR/>God will honor that bg time<BR/><BR/>davedavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07135992921485306480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21118726.post-16201800455534780732007-12-19T22:13:00.000-08:002007-12-19T22:13:00.000-08:00I am so honored that my post blessed you. I took a...I am so honored that my post blessed you. I took a lot of heat for my stance on that verse for many years, so whenever people write to me and are encouraged, it means the world to me! And I love BONO too. What are the odds? He's such a great example of honest faith, unbound from the pretenses of image....Tia Lynnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08131181929874342944noreply@blogger.com