church: "small, seemingly insignificant groups"/"an encounter with Christ, rather than something instutional"

 Anyone care to guess who the "he" is in the "as he said" line of the quote below?:

."...As he said in his  1996 book, “Salt of the Earth,”a smaller but purer church may be necessary. Maybe we are facing a new and different kind of epoch in the church’s history, where Christianity will again be characterized more by the mustard seed, where it will exist in small, seemingly insignificant groups that nonetheless live an intensive struggle against evil and bring good into the world-that let God in. link

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.I'm sure you guessed correctly.

It was the same guy who apparently said:

If the date on the quote is accurate, he said that  (as well as the first quote) before he was pope..interesting.