the covenant post-Holocaust: "Only a wounded faith is worthy of a silent God"

 

"Children were sometimes burned alive at Auschwitz ..After describing this scene, Rabbi  Greenburg put forward the following proposition: 'No statement,  theological or otherwise, should be made that would not be credible in the presence of burning children.". -Gushee. p. 70, After Evangelicalism

Highly recommended:  read page 76 (and ideally the whole section of pp. 74-81)  of Gushee's  After Evangelicalism (read here) ,where he covers Greenburg's suggestion that  post-Holocaust, for the Jews,  the covenant is no longer in a "commanded stage," but is now voluntary.

"Israel's relation with God has been severely wounded.  Wiesel: ' Only a wounded faith can exist after these events.  Only a wounded faith is worthy of a silent God.'...God no longer has the right to demand covenant loyalty from his people."  -Gushee. p. 76, After Evangelicalism

Top Ten Godhaunted songs #1: "Wish You Were Here"

This is my first original blog post in YEARS, and inspired by a video my amazing friend  St. Stacy posted a video of a neighbor

 

Stacy and I celebrating our students graduating.

of hers singing Pink Floyd's "Wish You Were Here" on his porch, as (I assume)  a kind of gift to the neighborhood during this eerie "shelter in place."

Many of us are on our codvid quarantine porches wishing

somebody
                 anybody
                                                 was "here";

Even if it's Chris Cornell-style, almost not caring who picks up the distress signal of a  wishful wistful, atheistic theistic,  prayerful unprayer.:

On a cobweb afternoon in a room full of emptiness
By a freeway, I confess I was lost in the pages

Of a book full of death, reading how we'll die alone
Of a book full of death, reading how we'll die alone
Of a book full of death, reading how we'll die alone
And if we're good, we'll lay to rest anywhere we want to go

In your house, I long to beRoom by room, patientlyI'll wait for you there, like a stoneI'll wait for you there, alone

          And on my deathbed, I will pray to the gods and the angels

Like a pagan to anyone who will take me to heavenTo a place I recall, I was there so long agoThe sky was bruised, the wine was bled, and there you led me on

But that's another song.
Or is it?

Chris Cornell  and Roger Waters may be praying to the same You that they wish were here, and that they hope they meet there.

Roger's skies in "Wish" were pain-blue, and Chris' in the song above were bruised
But the song...and the Canopy Maker..remain the same.
Even the Good Book darkness-skies are God's canopy.
And the Floyd song..like all of them.. is dark.

But the  canopy is there...even if appearing bruised.

I challenged Stacy to post  a few reasons...any reason ..why she likes this song.

I can't wait to hear.  She many even know things about the song I don't..and I have been tracking it for 45 years or so,  I bet she even knows about the often-unnoticed  (and much-debated ) throat-clearing cough  towards the beginning that I always hears as a guy waking up and turning on the radio to hear this song, and  eventually play along to it.

 And that man has been me ever since.

To cough is to pray.

My reasons for liking the song are  many.
And some were formed  before Stacy was born.
But I don't even know if I can use the word "like."

• Or love.
• Or "hate"
• Or  "love."
• Or love/hate.

Though they all work.

Maybe the word I need  is "need."

I mean, we all need help putting words to our prayers at times.
Even, especially when the prayer ...as written...doesn't seem to be getting through..

And this song was an integral part of the prevenient-grace mixtape that led me to Jesus (tied with this  24-minute hymn from the Book Of Genesis--I mean, Band of Genesis ),  and part of the strange and heteroclite canon/cannon  of laments  and imprecations that keep me tethered to this Jesus.

Stacy, I might not know you..or Jesus..without this song!
(Do I love or know Jesus?)

And  this blog post is also serving a  public challenge to Stacy to write more; even blog.  Her social media posts can be stunningly moving.  My post today may only be so to me, but I dedicate it to her.

This song.
Where to start?

If by some tragic circumstance you have never encountered this song, may I counterintuitively (Why  not go the unobvious route?) suggest you sample this version filmed in my favorite city, as the song is sensitively interpreted performed by two Jewish men.  If I had been there, and stumbled upon this scene, I would've probably been so transfixed that I'd be transfigured..or still there.  To me, another Jewish Man is always active in the  music of streets of That City.

See you after the break.

Original version. 

When this song came out, and my friends and I first heard it cranked loud on Dan's huge JBL speakers: 

no words.

But let me try several.

I mean, if I can't at least occasionally articulate  the  "inarticulate speech of the heart" about one of my top ten  "Godhaunted songs" (Hi Happy Lee, your song is next)

As most Floydfans know, the album this is found on, and this song, is partly/largely about/addressed to  former  band member Syd Barrett,

As is much (all?) of their material.

Barrett had left the band/been forced out due to his  drug-induced mental ilness, The band tells this chilling story

Syd Barrett's tortured spirit was already hovering over Pink Floyd's ninth studio album, even before he unexpectedly crashed the sessions for Wish You Were Here on June 5, 1975.

Both the emotive title track and shimmering, psychedelic epic "Shine On You Crazy Diamond" were inspired by Barrett, the band's former frontman, with chief writer Roger Waters meditating on themes of isolation and inward escape. So, when the long-absent musician – portly, with distant gaze, shaved head and eyebrows – randomly arrived during a mixing session for "Diamond," the coincidence reduced the band to a mixture of shock and depression.

It's not as if Barrett, Floyd's co-founder and the driving creative force behind their debut LP, 1967's The Piper at the Gates of Dawn, left the band on good terms. His mental instability, erratic stage behavior and addiction to LSD made him a liability, and guitarist-singer David Gilmour was brought in as a replacement.

....Pink Floyd were confused by his presence, assuming he had to be a crew member. But when Gilmour eventually identified their former bandmate, Waters broke down in tears. That June day also happened to be Gilmour's wedding day, so Barrett wandered into the guitarist's wedding reception at EMI. He left without telling anyone, disappearing as strangely as he'd arrived. The experience had a profound impact on the band, particularly Waters, who even incorporated a lyrical reference to the early Barrett-penned single "See Emily Play" on Wish You Were Here.

"I'm very sad about Syd, [though] I wasn't for years," Waters said in 1975. "For years, I suppose he was a threat because of all that bollocks written about him and us. Of course, he was very important and the band would never have f_____ started without him, because he was writing all the material. It couldn't have happened without him, but on the other hand, it couldn't have gone on with him. He may or may not be important in rock 'n' roll anthology terms, but he's certainly not nearly as important as people say in terms of Pink Floyd. So, I think I was threatened by him."

Gilmour, who co-wrote the music to both the title track and "Shine On," has trouble separating these classic songs from his memories of the former Floyd icon. "Although 'Shine On You Crazy Diamond' is specifically about Syd and 'Wish You Were Here' has a broader remit," Gilmour said in the 2012 documentary Pink Floyd: The Story of Wish You Were Here, "I can't sing it without thinking about Syd."

link

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Finally,  now you are primed to read the lyrics, and weigh who they addressed/redressed to?  Who is your Syd?

You can "never again sing it without thinking about" your "randomly arrived" Syd.

Lyrics:

So, so you think you can tell
Heaven from hell
Blue skies from pain
Can you tell a green field
From a cold steel rail?
A smile from a veil?
Do you think you can tell?

Did they get you to trade
Your heroes for ghosts?
Hot ashes for trees?
Hot air for a cool breeze?
Cold comfort for change?
Did you exchange
A walk on part in the war
For a lead role in a cage?

How I wish, how I wish you were here

We're just two lost souls

Swimming in a fish bowl

Year after year

Running over the same old ground

What have we  found?

The same old fears

Wish you were here....

From Song Facts:

• This song is about the detached feeling most people go through life with. It is a commentary on how people cope with the world by withdrawing physically, mentally, or emotionally. In the commentary of The Wall, Roger Waters states that the inspiration was Pink Floyd founding member Syd Barrett and his ordeal with schizophrenia.
• Roger Waters has said this song was based on a poem he wrote about Syd Barrett's fall from reality. It was said that Syd's friends would lace his coffee with LSD, which eventually lead to his mental breakdown. >>
• This was a rare case of the Pink Floyd primary songwriters Roger Waters and David Gilmour mutually collaborating on a song - they rarely wrote together. Gilmour had the opening riff written and was playing it in the studio at a fast pace when Roger Waters heard it and asked him to play it slower. The song built from there, with the pair writing the music for the chorus and verses together, and Waters adding the lyrics.
• The song reflected the feeling of the band while they were recording the album. Waters felt they were not putting a full effort into the recording sessions.
• When this song starts, it sounds like it is coming from an AM radio somewhere in the distance. It represents the distance between the listener and the music.
• Link

Perhaps the most important part and punch of the lyric is the ellipsis; hemistiche, at the end..
Will the wished-for  "you/"You" ever be here?

Who or what is "you"?

Roger Waters has left this open to interpretation, but in various interviews over the years has seen it as

• Syd
• a lover or friend
• his bandmates

and a fascinating and compelling candidate that only hit him later in life;

                                himself.

The Cure can relate.
And so can you.

And Sudzi.

And Soren:

"It is essentially owing to her, to my melancholy and to my money that I became an author.

Now with God's help, I shall be myself.
I believe that Christ will help me to be victorious
over my melancholy" -Soren Kierkegaard ,Journal, 4/19/1848

 I  also dare to believe, even if Waters doesn't believe or admit it..

The You is also
partly
partially God.

Of course at some points in the lyric that You doesn't make sense  (God a  fearful lost soul..
OR DOES IT?

But
The You is also
partly
partially
 God.

Every You in every song  eventually is.

Every wish  ultimately is for the  hereness and nearness of One who doesn't seem here.

Why can't the onmipresence be manifest?

As I once preached from Psalm 22:
"The Lord Be With You...Even When He's Not."

But knowing Floyd, if it is a prayer..

atheism, cynicism and nihilism often win..

"There is no dark side of the moon really.  As a matter of fact it's all dark," 

"Is there anybody out there?"  they once prayed.

                     The expected  answer is no.

Same with the chilling  first set of questions in "Wish".

So, so you think you can tell
Heaven from hell?
Blue skies from pain?
Can you tell a green field
From a cold steel rail?
A smile from a veil?
Do you think you can tell?

They are not essay answers.
One senses they are multiple choice
  A"Yes"
 or
  B"Hell, no."

B being "right".

But I'm opting for a C: " Both A and B .

Sometimes fuzzy sets are the only

way to pray.

Apophatic is cataphatic.

It's often more classically encouraging to hear U2's  Bono  (Who gives us permission and a decoder to "Turn each song into a prayer")  ask the biblical question "How long?'' since we know the question has a deadline, and is not a dead end.

Maybe Pink Floyd is asking the same question, but from the dark side of the faith.

Such is the hardwon faith that does not bypass lament.



 U2's Dead Man might even Wake Up.
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Floyd's  deity might remain dead.

But thank God  that God is bigger than authorial intent.

(And bigger than the Boogie Man and the devil, for that matter.)

Waters also may well have meant this as not just about TO or ABOUT Syd, but

 FROM Syd, how HE felt towards

the band (or himself..or God)

I was not yet a committed Christian when I first heard this song; I don't know what you would have called me when the pictured  guys (I'm the one in the T shirt,  And obviously, there is one non-guy with us, but she wasn't part of our gang) in this Upstate New York circle of friends  first experienced it.

I felt it/heard it as my lonely  being awakened,
 It was addressed to myself

                          to my friends 

                                            to Syd

                                                 to a partner I hadn't met yet
and to an unknown God that I somehow knew.

I am intrigued that Waters tended to picture the "two lost souls in a fishbowl" as

two fish, but each in a  separate bowl (this is  perhaps authenticated by cover art on a later single version).

I hadn't felt it that way.

Being two lost souls in the same bowl was lonely enough.  

But at least the two were in it together.

Terrifying to be trapped in a bowl alone, able to see your soulmate in an adjacent bowl.

Year after year.

Covid quarantine, indeed

But until we admit we often live this hellonearth in our "there"  ("Can you tell heaven from hell?."...
We may never experience God as here.

Wish you were here,

• Syd
• friends
• enemies
• Dave
• God

It's all in how you read it,

PS Maybe just watch this guy in video. He's crazy, but he may weel say most of what I just tried to sat better than I just did!: --

Other Pink Floyd posts here.

See related ed "labels" (keyword "topix ) below

"How does your faith interact with your music?"

How does your faith interact with your music?

Eric Campuzano: 

"It does not interact;

                                                                    it is my music."

Link, full interview

Other Prayer Chain-related posts here

Psalms of Lament and Imprecation as Authentic Worship

Timelines

It has been hugely productive, revelatory, and (even) fun to, as part of a class that several others and I teach, have students plot out (on the whiteboard) their timeline.

Jerry Walls: Heaven, Hell.. and (Protestant)Purgatory

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Heaven, Hell, and Purgatory - Amazon.com

Conversations ~ Jerry Walls on Heaven, Hell, and Purgatory .

I can't do all things through Christ ..but I can delete two letters and lose a game

Can I fly?

Can I win every game and pass every test?

Philippians 4:10 says I can do all things through Christ, right?

No, that's just "the American dream on steroids," as Kyle Hatfield concludes.

And as Inigo  Montoya concludes:

This verse may be

                              the most dangerous of all  the "verse out of context" fails.

(Well, next to the infamous "God will never give you more than you can handle"
 trope that people think is in the Bible, but isn't.  See  "God will ALWAYS give you more than you can handle"),

Reading in context (and contexture) easily solves the obvious problem of the verse "not working":


1. Note the context. The verse is framed (before and after) with an inclusio  about the offering the Philippians have taken for Paul, and how other churches not taking one, and both being OK.

2)The whole topic is clearly learning to be content (financially) no matter the circumstance (even when people don't support hum financially).  Nothing even close to a motivational "I can pass this hard test".

3)Grammatically and logically, the "I can do all things" is connected to "being content."  So much so that some translations style it "I can do all these things through Christ."( Douay-Rheims Bible) ,What things?  Being content/  Not all things...but all things related to be content..even when I'm poor or starving.

Isn't  the way almost everyone interprets this verse  almost the exact opposite of what it says/means.
Even when i DON'T win the game, pass the test, I can still be content..even though there are things I CAN'T DO......???

4.

The New  (2011) NIV Translation nails it by just deleting two letters from THINGS"...IT'S NOW "THIS".

Bye, N and G.  You have  (not) served us well.

Philippians 4:10 I rejoiced greatly in the Lord that at last you renewed your concern for me. Indeed, you were concerned, but you had no opportunity to show it. 11 I am not saying this because I am in need, for I have learned to be content whatever the circumstances. 12 I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want. 13 I can do all this through him who gives me strength.

14 Yet it was good of you to share in my troubles. 15 Moreover, as you Philippians know, in the early days of your acquaintance with the gospel, when I set out from Macedonia, not one church shared with me in the matter of giving and receiving, except you only; 16 for even when I was in Thessalonica, you sent me aid more than once when I was in need. 17 Not that I desire your gifts; what I desire is that more be credited to your account. 18 I have received full payment and have more than enough. I am amply supplied, now that I have received from Epaphroditus the gifts you sent. They are a fragrant offering, an acceptable sacrifice, pleasing to God. 19 And my God will meet all your needs according to the riches of his glory in Christ Jesus.

20 To our God and Father be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

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For some good links on this, see 

• Out of Context: Philippians 4:13 – Can I do all things?

and Craig Keener:

Afootball player at a Christian college approached his Bible professor, greatly troubled. His coach had encouraged the team that they could “do all things through Christ who strengthens” them, citing Philippians 4:13. Yet the team had lost a few games, and the student was unable to fathom why his team was not always winning, since they “could do all things through Christ.” The problem, of course, is not with the text, but with the view that the player and apparently his coach had read into the verse. The football player was assuming that Paul had in view matters like winning football games.

Thanking the Philippians for sending him a love-gift (4:10, 14), Paul noted that he had learned contentment with both little and with much (4:12); he could do all things through Christ (4:13). In this context, he is saying that by Christ’s strength he could rejoice whether he had much or little. Today we should learn to rejoice in whatever our situation, knowing that Christ strengthens us to endure: whether persecution, ridicule, or even losing a football game.  link

Or watch him at 3:33 here:

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Also,Monty Waldron writes for Athletes in Action: "Paul’s words are handled almost superstitiously—a spiritual rabbit’s foot—inscribed on skin or apparel with hopes of Divine favor. With the best of intentions, this phrase is rehearsed as an assurance of God’s enablement for personal pursuits..If this is a favorite of yours, hang with me—its meaning is actually better than most athletes realize." 

Oh, and Tim Tebow doesn't have verseitis:

"A lot of people know Philippians 4:13 -- 'I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me' -- but a lot of people don't interpret that verse the right way. Most people think it means I can do anything ...on the football field, or I can make a lot of money. But that's not exactly what it's talking about there. It's [saying] I can be content with anything."-Tim Tebow, see 

Philippians 4:13 | What thing can Christ strengthen us to do?

Of course, don't get me started. On related matters;

• Christian, you are a NOT a 'new creation

• little evangelical kids singing R-rated lyrics in Sunday School: "and his banner over me is love"
• I am in sin if I "avoid the appearance of evil"
• Why Would Jesus Puke?: let's be hot AND cold, as Jesus wants
• "Temple Tantrums For All Nations"
• don't seek first the Kingdom
• The "Lord's Prayer" does NOT say "daily bread ...
• God will ALWAYS give you more than you can handle
•  of course Christians will be left behind
• "fear him who has authority to throw you into hell" : Who's "him"?
• 
  

11)Don't get me started on Jeremiah 29:11..

or

     12) the individual Christian wearing spiritual armor

      or
               13)the "fruitS of the Spirit"
                 
                    or

  14)Jesus being literally forsaken by God because
 "God can't look at us, he can                      only look at Jesus..."

                                              or 
                                                            15) "Christians are sinners, not saints"

oy!